When you say worldview, are you referring to the individual
world view as opposed to a global world view. If this is the
case then seeing that even you have your own world view
constructed by that own individual mind, in which even for you
is still questioning. Its interesting that we should talk on
fundamentalism and the Nature of the known unknown (Absolute
or God). I recently received a book by a Jesuit by the name of
Anthony De Mello. This author has somewhat intrigued me for the
past couple of months and in the beginning of this book it
explains this persuit of One God no matter where the location.

Would it not be selfish to believe that God only convey’s his
truth to one region or another. Not selfish on God’s part but on
that individuals who believes his religion is the right religion,
although this is nothing but the egos habits and programming
that believe this to be true. Maybe a singular truth but like webster
said, a belief nonetheless, a partial truth.

At least we can agree that God/Absolutes presence is omnipotent
and present, how can it not since all of humanity comes from Him
and that nothing exists outside of it, for to be outside of it would
mean that you are greater than He? God would definitely not leave
out different nations for the very nature for lack of better words is
Good, and it would be against his nature to cast some of his people out
but not all. This is Unconditional Love is it not? So with that being said,
is it that the teachings of the Bible to be a fraction of the Truth as well
as every other piece of information, trying to lead people to wake up
through direct experience. I don’t de-merit the Bible but this is second
had truth, not something anyone has directly experienced, seen as if
they experienced it directly, then well.. the Bible would not be needed
to point the individual in the right direction to get out of the ignorance
of the programming that, that particular body is in.

Still this brings me back to a parable I read about the Monkeys
Salvation for the fish, it goes like this:

The disciple said,
“What on earth are you doing?”
as the monkey scooped the fish out of the
river and placed it on a branch in the tree.

The reply was, “I’m saving the fish from drowning.”

God doesn’t need defending, He perfectly fine on His own,
I can assure you, so what are we really defending? Our
own “truths”, how silly and selfish is this? 😛 By accepting
Christ into your life, is fine, it at least allows you to acknowledge
that the Absolute is part of you and works within you, but when it
comes to the point where you delude yourself with righteousness
it really only just says that you dropped an old selfish behavior
for a righteous selfish behavior. There is no difference between
the too, you have no more authority then you did in the past, you
just illude yourself into believing you did.

*turns the rant box off*

Blessings. 🙂

I suppose if I ask you, you would say only you “enlightened folks” realize this
and have “loosed” yourself from the grip of this law and thus are following
the path to understanding all truth?

Erol, come on, this is crazy! The human experience is full of stories of
people who have come to all kinds of beliefs despite the influence of
their upbringings.

and Erol, please don’t tell me what my exposure to religious writings and
books has been.. Isn’t this the height of arrogance? I have studied the
Old Testament as much as the New, most Christians have as it as
relevant as the New Testament.

I was raised in a non-Christian home. I was challenged in my early 20’s
to consider the evidence. I was living a very hedonistic and selfish
lifestyle which I rather enjoyed at the time. I came to the point where I
knew I could not deny the facts and gave my life to Christ. The change in
my life was not overnight but over a time.

Why would you bother to tell me there are many views of one God?
You really think I’m that ignorant not not know this? This seems to
reveal a fundamental difference in the way our worldviews lead us to
think (or not). I know that there are many views of one God, I also know
that because the statement is true, it does not necessarily follow that
there are many Gods….

You folks all seem to struggle with this logic… Puzzling to say the least.

Notice how a small minority questioned the status quo and who condemned them.
They questioned the slavery of other men for the first time in human history. Now most
agree that slavery is against the wish of God. The church can sometimes be afraid
when it is actually God’s work of freedom being done.

And if one were born in Pakistan they would possibly strongly see a Muslim way because that would be predominant in their environment. This is simply
the law of environment. People in Republican homes tend to become Republican, and
so on. They also tend towards the same eating habits as those around them. This is
basic sociology.

Thanks for your clarity about your view point. That there is only one view,
the New Testiment. It is NOT the Bible, but the New Testament and Revelation you see.
The Bible consists of the Old Testament & Torah. That is not your vision. And, we have
the Muslim God, which is also the God of Abraham, just a the Father of Jesus. There
are many views of one God.

The point, you have brothers all over this globe with the same God, the God of Abraham.
How can it be that only one of the three religions is right? Or, that there are 2000
sects of Christianity, all thinking THEY are right?

There is no wrong-making here. Just geniune question about God. Man has continually
asked this and every few hundred years come up with a new version. How can any one
version be the only right version? There is room for all love of and with God, is there not?

If one were born in a Muslim country, they may be afraid their faith would end. And in Israel, they see theirr faith is challenged, and every where. Being baptized 5 years ago, I hold great love for all faith and men. The same as the Abolishionists had in the 18th Century. They held a minority view, that all men were created equal. Most saw them as
dangerous, and yet truth (God) prevailed. Love of our brothers must prevail, wouldn’t you
agree?

I feel there’s a lot of meaning in that story. Truth
is at times handed to us and quickly becomes
belief. Governments do this all the time with the
masses. Religion is a form of government, too.
There are set rules to abide by (people have the
potential to get quiet enough to learn these on
their own), and if one makes the choice to resist,
there are an un-whole host of horrors prescribed
as remedies through the ages. I’d have to conclude
that power is behind the beliefs offered when
nightmares made manifest by both government,
and religion appear.

Authentic power is not about controlling. It’s about
growing, as Galatians 5:22 points out, the fruits of-
love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness,
faith, meekness and temperance.

I’ll trust the experience of Spirit to do this for me…
by opening to it.

peace

Well I asked you first to be specific because while your words have
somewhat of a poetic or lofty feeling, it is difficult to glean any specific
thought or meaning.

But that’s okay, I’m not surprised you have flipped the question to me.
I will give an answer.

My alternative viewpoint is the one that is described in the Bible…

It provides all the answers as to why we are here, how we got here,
a standard of right and wrong, and what are destiny is.

My vision for the world is actually God’s vision. We are in the period of
dispensation, proclaiming to the world that Jesus Christ has died and
risen from the dead and that to accept him as your Lord and Savior will
guarantee eternal life with Him. At the end of this period, God will
exercise His Holy nature by destroying evil from the face of the earth.
He clearly defines what is good and what is evil in His word, the Bible.

It’s really not on alternative, it is a plan that God has had from eternity.

Look at yourself! your claim to fame is bagging a visionary like Deepak!

If you had enough talent to be in his position you wouldn’t responding to the repetitive dribble you are spouting!!!!!

Simple mind simple beliefs!

Omnipotent means:
1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.
2. having very great or unlimited authority or power.

The question is not whether God is omnipotent. God is omnipotent by definition! But
having power doesn’t mean using it every millisecond. That’s like the US putting troops
in every square inch of the earth. To what end? The question is… is God playing around
with every single tiny human triviality, and a horned devil being doing the same thing, in
every instance. Or, do we humans have brains that work in a silly way, causing us
trouble AND God is still omnipresent and omnipotent. I tend to believe the later.

Your feedback is vague about your points. Please, be specific about
one of the holes in my thinking and let us reach truth, as Gandi also sought. Simply
truth at all times.

My specific question to Dale is about a specific notion and rule of God. And if the
“alternative point of view” entails the rulership of one. The Judeo/Christian/Muslim God is the same God, to my understanding, yet millions have been killed over interpretations.

By the way, one would only have a cake to eat it! The alternative is to sell the cake or
idolize the cake as it rotts. So, cakes are for eating. God is omnipotent AND we humans
cause the majority of the problems, our ego mind specifically.

For you, is there there is no science, no psychology, nothing created by the mind?
Thus, when you get angry at someone, you aren’t acting out from a previous wound,
it’s the devil doing it, right? This logic then also suggests you speak English NOT
because you learned it in childhood but because God just did something, yes?

Suggesting I “seek help”. LOL I was there. It was me and my chute. I was part of the
equipment. I know what happened. No different than an Olympian later recalling why
they had a moment of distraction that caused a mistake. It is called “consciousness”.
Which simply means “awareness of one’s own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc.” (check a dictionary) This is what Deepak has been teaching for
years. Something you seem to miss since you must not actually know his work.

What is your “alternative” viewpoint really Dale? I ask sincerely. Is it that Jesus is the
ONLY way and every other religion on earth is wrong and should be eliminated? That
all science of the mind, all spiritual thought should be terminated? Is that something
you want to discuss?

What truly is your purpose? Or is it just to attack people? To hide behind proxy servers
and other ways so you can attack? Hiding & attacking seems like the adversaries
methods. Jesus never hid brother. Jesus never attacked, from my recollection reading the Bible in college. What truly is your purpose?

Evil then, was born when an Angel of God’s creation chose to rebel. He then
became an enemy of God and was then destined for destruction. For His
ultimate purpose of creating man as a love object he has delayed his
destruction for a time.

God then created man and for man to be a love object it was necessary that
he have free will, otherwise man would be nothing more of an automaton and
incapable of either love or evil. Because God cannot create sin, he created man
without sin and proclaimed him to be good. It was necessary then to exercise
man’s free will that he be tempted to rebel. Choosing God, was an
an expression of love back to God, choosing to rebel of course brought
about the birth of sin to mankind and God’s punishment of the curse of
the sin nature being inherited by Adam’s progeny. From that time forward
man was alienated from God.

Bound by His holiness, God needed to provide a way of redemption and as
was His ultimate plan. He did this through the sacrifice of His one and
only Son on the cross of Calvary. He took the punishment for our Sin and
from that point forward will “shield” God the Father from our sin. Our
responsibility then is to return the love by proclaiming Jesus Christ as our
Lord and Savior.

From that time forward, the curse of sin has been broken and peace with
God was again established.

In conclusion, one can see that God has accomplished his purpose to
create man, a love object, in the only way possible by both allowing the
freedom to choose to serve Him or rebel and also providing a remedy
for man’s making the wrong choice.

Where then is the injustice?

The fact is for any jumper, you do it long enough and you WILL have to deal
with a malfunction.. Why do you take this “leap” of tying it to an event in your
past?

By the way, God is by nature Benevolent, not malevolent. This is not my idea
or preference but what is taught in the Bible. God is also Love and Truth. As such
he cannot tolerate evil. the simplest thought or action that violates his absolute
standard of good and evil subjects the violator to his judgment and then
destruction. To some, this may seem malevolent. But if God in turn provided a
way to satisfy this need to destroy, by having the Son suffer this “destruction”
on the cross in all of our place, the dilemma is reconciled and it now becomes a
simple choice. Shall I accept this way of reconciliation by acknowledging
Christ and serving Him, or not?

We may also “program” in our own expiration date. Ask someone quickly, “What age do you think you’ll die at?” & snap your fingers. They’ll often give a number. On inspection, you may find they had a relative that passed at or around that age.

Our mind stores all kinds of programs like this. Being awake might be another way of saying you look at this and inspect it. If there is something there, you take steps. This is opposed to just staying asleep and not looking at it.

We may also find that a person unconsciously knows how they will die. There may be a stored idea of their method. For example, I always avoided solo sky diving for fear my parachute wouldn’t open. When I did my first jump last July, guess what happened. Yes, my main chute failed. And I later could retrace exactly the program event that caused my malfunction from an incident in childhood.

I’d say, absolutely, we can have our own set expiration date from some early unconscious decision. Not from something a malevolant God preordained, but rather from stored decision in emotional events. Copying a loved one is a common way to set an expiration date.

Forgiving the loved one for passing and leaving us, as well as setting their spirit free to have their own experience, can free us to have our own experience and set our own expiration date.