It is stranger than we CAN think. 🙂

Who am I? The question which may never be answered, but possibly lived, and eventually experienced in a rather ordinary way.

(I was a catholic, too, until I reached the age of reason…didn’t know then that I’d have to go beyond reason, too!) 🙂

I liked all the responses but I don’t buy into the “maybe” explanations.

When one says maybe it’s this, maybe it’s that, they are simply making excuses.

“maybe things are unquestionable” that can be said of anything, it;s just a way of keep on keeping on with the beliefs, without knowing if the soul exists or conciousness is simply a physical process.

we could then say “why are things in this country still as bad or worse since Obama took over, “well maybe that is unquestionable”

no it is very questionable, so is everything else.

I think religion stes a standard and make a blueprint in our brains, and anything other thought is then an intrusion.

I know I was raised catholic, and until i was about 20 years old, I never even considered that there was NOT a god, and that jesus was the savior of man.

Had I realized that every kid my age with their own religion felt the same way. Some are convinced krishna is the guy, some believe mohammed was. other Zeus, etc.

it’s all a matter of how you were raised.

If I said to the world “I am the smartest person on planet earth” millions of people would question and say “Are you kidding me?”

and My response would be “Maybe this fact is unquestionable” m,aybe we dont know why I am so smart, but perhaps I just am the smartest human being alive”

LOLLLL

Im being facetious, but you cant invent things, and if you start a conversation you cant say it’s unknowable, otehrwise the conversation doesnt take place.

“Be patient towards all that is unresolved in your heart and try to love the questions themselves like locked rooms and like books that are written in a very foreign tongue. Do not now seek the answers, which cannot be given because you would not be able to live them. And the point is, to live everything. Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answer.”

This morning after meditation an encounter with, Tillich

” He who is able to love himself is able to love others also; he who has learned to overcome self-contempt has overcome his contempt for others. But the depth of our separation lies in just the fact that we are not capable of a great and merciful divine love towards ourselves…”

So, perhaps, the whole banquet of Life really is experienced in the first bite- Whatever the question, love is the answer. I, too, have done my damnedest to fill up the God hole (I like the metaphor). Were I instead to dive in, what would be the experience? Were I to make the choice, could I live without an identity, beyond thought? Would It ask of me to be fuel for an all-consuming fire?

However, speaking as a gardener, one cannot expect to see flowers growing in a place where seeds haven’t died first…

To the compost pile!!

Then, one day, I had the thought- “Maybe God has gotta go.”

Maybe It’s nature is to be a potentiality, which is impacted by the thoughts and actions of the actors/actresses in some kind of dream.

I’m still making the attempt to wake up from said dream.

First off, im new to the forum, but I’ve been reading a long time. I;ve also asked numerous questions of Deepak, but they never get answered.

perhaps the dubious nature of the questions are not wanted as they can become troublesome for some.

I dont find any question dubious, nobody has all the answers, and no scientific evidence has ever proven any spirituality to be real.

Having said that, I enjoy Deepaks work. He is a great writer and seems convincing enough to at least try and see things his way. I dont find him harmful or problematic or consider him a cult. He’s just a guy with a new twist on some ancient ideas.

I have searched for relgious answers for a long time, I have read books on spirituality, creative design, stories of reincarnation and near death experiences.

I have read information on mind body medicine and energy healing, no holistic health care modality has healed any of my ailments, btw, but that is a different subject.

The main thing that blocks me from understanding spirituality and conciouness etc, is where did it come from?

If conciousness always existed and formed itslef into the universe, intelligently, why are there so many flaws in the design?

What intelligent force puts the earth in line of thousands of meteorities in space that could destroy us all in a short time.

What intelligent force designs a system where tsunamis and hurricane, and earthquakes erupt constantly and kill millions of people.

What intelligent designer creates superbugs that are smarter and stronger than the people living in it;s creation?

What designer puts a male prostate gland right in the way of the bladder so that when a natural process such as prostate enlargement occurs, the man can not urinate properly.

If the force was intelligent enough to create the entire univers out of nothing, it couldnt have been so dumb to create all these flaws.

And I’m not a mechanist, or a stubborn scientist, im somebody who wants to know things, and the more I know about life and it’s purpose, the less I know.

I’ve read books written by pick up artists who clcaim that our reason for being is to procreate…> for all I know they are right.

Science is finding that our brains are wired to be
non-manogamous, and that is why most marriages fail.

But again, all of this leads to the question of how an intelligent force could create these flawed designs.

I will humbly and peacefully accept any or all answers.

Yes, well, perhaps.

Remember the day you took the bird seed out into nature with your camera? You left that story behind, and were one with what you were doing in that moment. You were the Silent Witness. No story.

You’ve been the witness so many times in your life…

There are two birds, two sweet friends, who dwell
on the self same tree. The one eats the fruit
thereof, and the other looks on in silence. -Mundaka Upanishad

peace

Nice post. I’m quite content being the happy fool, too.

Write on!

I usually walk away when someone tells me how loving and truthful they are. If it’s true, nothing needs to be said about it at all. It simply radiates from a person embodying it.

I don’t see Dr. Chopra running around telling everyone how loving or truthful he is. What would be the point?

N’est pas? 🙂

I stick to my truth that is found in my heart..

Yup, I could have written what you’ve shared myself.

Enjoy the journey.

Off to the links! 🙂

peace

Go back and reread G’s big upchuck early on in the thread.

I’ve taken my fun where I’ve found it. 🙂

Dr. Chopra fills auditoriums around the world as a result of being fully in the flow of life, an instrument for monumental change in the world. You, on the other hand, are on his website constantly filling your pants, and in need of a monumental change as a result. Go figure.

I believe it was St. Bonaventure who once shared this insight- The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of its behind. It’s pretty clear you’re the epitome of his insight.

I’ll pass on your invitation regarding Christian Science. You’ve shown a lot of clarity expressing it. I get it.

“Three aspects are Absolute:

Consciousness

Being

Love” ~Kshatriya

“What is Truth-?
Pure Being-
Pure Consciousness-
Pure Love” ~ G

You
All
Three

express
the
Same

All good things in three 🙂

That is truth to me!

It is not a mystery to me…

The only birds we feed are in our own minds(thoughts which you deny are part of being…
Thought is the subtle form of all outward activity…

You would do well do read Christian Science. I think Deepak is doing an OK job with his books but he confuses many individuals with his theory of unified field as he doesn’t understand that matter is not spiritual on any note. I think sometimes he wants people to believe him so as to keep the dream going from a material standpoint. I don’t feel that you or Deepak really understand all that much and that you are crowning yourselves with a lot of imagined glory for nothing—-

That is my honest feedback to you, but still all will be revealed to us all….and fortunately your gabbling isn’t effecting the Truth that Is…..

I say peace to you too as peace can only be reflected in peace…

True wealth consciousness is, therefore, consciousness of the source of all material reality. This is pure awareness. It is the unified field. It is the field of all possibilities. We cannot know this field just by thinking about it because, by definition, it is transcendental to thought. We can, however, have experiential knowledge of this field by transcending to it and knowing it intimately as our own nature.

When we transcend, we know non-verbally without the use of words. We obtain knowledge directly, without the distracting intervention of spoken language. This is the value of meditation, which gives us the experience of pure Being, although the experience of pure Being is in itself an expression of pure bliss and pure joy. The main advantage of alternating the experience of meditation with activity is that the more we dive into the field of pure Being, pure awareness, pure consciousness, the more our activity becomes infused with it. And then our activity acquires the qualities inherent in pure Being, in pure consciousness: infinite, unbounded, abundant, affluent, and immortal. -Deepak Chopra, “Creating Affluence”

Just felt a “level 6”, such as yourself, should be aware of this.

peace

The bird sings of faith.

Being blind is not such a burden at all. Anyone can understand that if they’re paying attention to the more creative aspects of life, such as music (another medium where the silent gaps between notes fulfill the simplicity of truth). Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder immediately come to mind.

Everyone here is aware of Helen Keller…

But blind, deaf, AND dumb?

You couldn’t possibly “know.”

She knew what mortal man could not comprehend….

Fortunate for all of us, mortal man and all his notions, is an illusion-

So let’s ask another question. Knowing a person such as this only has two senses to work with- smell, and touch (remember, “he” can’t see, hear, or express his most deeply held concerns regarding-“What is the meaning of life?, Why am I here?, etc…), how would you go about shoveling this load of crappola into “him,” with the intention of “waking “him” up?

“Presence is Awareness, True Knowledge is being Aware of Pure Awareness itself, which knows that which it sees, feels, and hears are all modes of Consciousness. Conscious Knowing is being fully Aware that what you see, feel, touch, and hear are not forms or things made of matter, but rather images appearing from one supreme intelligent Awareness itself-
It is only in so called un-conscious (blind) knowing that we falsely imagine and experience things that do appear as if apart from Pure Awareness.
The prefix of Presence is (Pre)-meaning in this instance before the things that do appear. Consciousness is the One Intelligent Mind, a co-eternal aspect of Presence /Awareness. (Co) is the prefix to consciousness meaning jointly with-
Awareness is Pure unseen Intelligent Life itself -When we Realize and fully know our being is Pure Awareness, then all the modes of our Consciousness and or Mind,images forth Perfection. Pure Awareness is the true reality of all being and is one with Consciousness
Now to say that you are aware of a sick and unhappy person is blind knowing- For again what precedes consciousness is Perfect Awareness itself, jointly with Pure Mind/Consciousness, and Pure Mind can only image forth pure modes of consciousness- In the human experience this understanding is true Knowledge and what constitutes and appears as Perfect health , Perfect life, and unbounded beauty in all its Perfection- Pure Awareness and God Consciousness are One-
If you feel anything or see anything in form manifesting anything less than perfection, you are in a temporary state of blind knowing-
But not to fear, in Truth Life is forever in the embrace of eternal perfection-”

There is a possible solution, but it never would have come about without becoming quiet enough to hear the original thought within the first bird’s song of a new day- long before first light.

9 # السجدة Then He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him the soul and He gave you hearing (ears), sight (eyes) and hearts. Little is the thanks you give!

78 # النحل And Allah has brought you out from the wombs of your mothers while you know nothing. And He gave you hearing, sight, and hearts that you might give thanks (to Allah).
This book of Allah is the preserved miracle. Quran.

And then along comes those who would carve up a Wholeness into the minutiae of mind, and divine mind, and blah de blabbiddy blah, as though it is somehow simple.

It’s really just intellectual violence, is all.

breathe in…breathe out

peace

But that’s more about God revealing God to God.

Consciousness

Being

Love

(Still, no mind…sorry, no pun intended) 🙂

Pure Mind/Consciousness and Truth are One-

Truth is never relative, Mind is only One, Being is Spirit and not human. Nothing ever changes in the absolute Truth for it is changeless, I am infinitely repeating myself to your individual consciousness as the Truth will never change the ever newness of pure being. God is resting in action and God thoughts are co existence with Pure Being, without God thoughts there would be no manifest life.
Mortal mind and all its notions disappears as immortal harmonious Mind is fully understood-

On most days, the closest any of us come to writing truth is the gap between words, or the emptiness between the lines. This is where, if I choose to do so, I will find the real you.

Osho says mind is a mechanism. It cannot be original; it is not even alive — how can it be original? It is social. Hence the insistence of all the awakened ones that unless you drop the mind you will not be able to know the truth, because truth is always original. Mind: always borrowed; truth: always original. Mind and truth cannot meet.

There is a natural state in which everything is known and nothing needs to be known anymore.
A baby is in this natural stage.
Through interaction with its environment a baby learns the difference between the inner and outer world: dualism
This interaction causes a human being to go through several stages in its life to learn and in the end to unlearn again and return to its natural stage.

Nature is creative and clever.
So is a human being

Too many capitals. Doesn’t enhance credibility.

Kimrola-
Consciousness does not have to process anything when it is fully awake to itself.

I was having the same thought today while thinking about the image of the cataract (along with the image of a macular degenerated eye)which was posted here by Dr. Chopra yesterday.

Yeah, the human mind is one huge cataract.