It would have been nice if you had provided a reference for the statements made.

So, what you’re trying to say is neither party is trustworthy, and only those who favor the Tea Party have a real handle on it because they are so strongly in favor of self-governance? Has Scott Brown impressed you?

We’re more likely to see a legitimate third-party ideology come about as a result of the Obama presidency. Here’s why (with references)

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/a/m/americandad/2010/03/an-open-letter-to-conservative.php?ref=mp

Has anyone taken the time to ponder where we’d be had McCain/Palin won the election?

I’ll take my chances with the Dems for now, thank you.

Many reasons not to trust either party…here are reasons not to trust any money with the folks from Washington DC..
FDR enacted the Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary

2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual
Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65%
on the first $90,000

3.) That the money the participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible

4.) That the money the participants put into the
independent ‘Trust Fund’ rather than into the
general operating fund, and therefore, would
only be used to fund the Social Security
Retirement Program, and no other
Government program, and,

Under Johnson the money was moved to
The General Fund and Spent

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

Under Clinton & Gore Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are
now receiving a Social Security check every month —
and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
the money we paid to the Federal government to ‘put
away’ — you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
independent ‘Trust Fund’ and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That’s right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

The worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it and believe that the Democrats are “for the people.”

Interesting and useful. Thanks.

You’ve obviously forgotten the conservatively-based knee jerk reactions to the health care debate. Coffins placed on representatives front yards, natural gas lines to family homes severed, intimidating phone calls, etc., ad nauseum. We won’t get into the harassment and intimidation of Obama campaign workers in ’08. Here’s why it happens…

http://www.truthout.org/how-republicans-win58229

Nixon. Ford. Reagan. Bush I. Bush II. Quite the all-star lineup, wouldn’t you say?

Yes, there are problems with our election process…But that hearkens back to the founding fathers, and their original vision with regard to voting rights being held by land owners- who were the wealthy elite at that time. The spirit of the original intention is still intact. It has simply morphed/evolved to including business owners. Only now it’s foreign AND domestic business owners, according to the Supreme Court. But it’s still the same game.Carlin was right. This country was bought and paid for a loooooong time ago.

I don’t believe for a minute that every president is a hands-on president (let’s use George W. Bush as the example), and therein lies another constitutional problem. Cabinet appointments which are influenced by monied interests. I have a problem with unqualified presidents selecting unelected people to make policy decisions- foreign, domestic, or economic.

So I’d have to conclude the foundation of our problems in this country are constitutional problems, and they are easily exploited by anyone with a motivation to do so. The irony is we have a constitutional law professor in the white house whose days are filled with rectifying the ignorance and greed of previous conservative administrations and their selected (not elected) appointees. We’re living in a time when history is crying out for a Constitutional Convention, and instead we get the Tea baggers.

Fabulous. 😉

In any case a revolt caused the birth of this nation; a revolt may be required to get the politicians away from the public trough…

Both sides have used intimidation and rancor to further their goals. Union Members marching on a private home with a terrified child hiding in a bathroom is as despicable as anyone brandishing a gun. Extremes are never pretty, whichever side they are on.

Correction – The Governor of AZ came out in ’97 – at news conferences about the so called, ‘Phoenix Lights’ etc..

you will never understand the human condition, try understanding the spiritual facts, not human conditions-

“People walking around with tea bags taped and stapled to their clothing, carrying guns strapped to their hips, and carrying signs with an Obama-image sporting a Hitleresque mustache is not irrational?”

Why is it ok to mock how they look? Is it ok to mock a gay pride parade, a st paddy’s day parade. Decide for yourself if their message is one you agree with or not, but to disparage over their image? Is that fair?

Irresponsible is government spending Trillions, and no viable means to pay.
To use a spiritual foundation, as the Chopra Center, to politicize , is not spiritual.
The using of others money, without free choice seems very unbalanced to me.

Are you serious?

People walking around with tea bags taped and stapled to their clothing, carrying guns strapped to their hips, and carrying signs with an Obama-image sporting a Hitleresque mustache is not irrational?

May I respectfully say- Dave’s not home.