Comments on: Can Science Explain the Soul?

By: mmfiore

mmfiore — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:54:04 +0000

Einstein was right about the shortcomings of Quantum Mechanics and so therefore String Theory is also the incorrect approach. As an alternative to Quantum Theory there is a new theory that describes and explains the mysteries of physical reality. While not disrespecting the value of Quantum Mechanics as a tool to explain the role of quanta in our universe. This theory states that there is also a classical explanation for the paradoxes such as EPR and the Wave-Particle Duality. The Theory is called the Theory of Super Relativity. This theory is a philosophical attempt to reconnect the physical universe to realism and deterministic concepts. It explains the mysterious.

By: Gyanama

Gyanama — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:23:52 +0000

There is One Reality-One Mind Expressing All-All that is good and eternal-The so called problems and imagined layers of life are all caused from a false sense of Reality. It is a false sense of self, that evil exist in the forms of disease, discord and problems.
As each individual begins to understand that matter is not the reality of being and that Man is God’s idea and that man is spiritual not material, and that man is life, truth and love expressed, then all problems dissolve into nothingness and reality in it’s true light appears as all that is real, good and eternally true-

By: Judy

Judy — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:47:55 +0000

I think there are many explanations, as there are factors involved in why we are still unable to solve the problems that face us, and have faced us from the beginning of time. There are many layers to our reality, and those are threaded through the quantom masses that make up our many universes, and so on and so forth. I so wish we would not be so distracted by time limits and sound bites of what we think we want or don’t want to hear, that we keep missing the message. That message of a community of divine intelligence that is screaming to be heard. We see, hear, taste, smell, and feel those messages every day. I am excited that more people are getting the “Ah-ha” of this new understanding by simply sharing and not being afraid to speak about their own spiritual experiences in our physical plane to others.

By: Michael X Williams

Michael X Williams — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 01:07:01 +0000

I have the greatest respect for Deepak Chopra and Stuart Hamerhoff and congratulate Deepak on the article. It’s certainly leagues beyond the standard reductionist view of consciousness. It’s a good continuing step toward a new science of consciousness, but still needs lots of work. It seems to me it falls into the same trap as the reductionist model. Deepak asks if consciousness is only an epiphenomena of the brain, then how can an epiphenomena reflect back on itself? I see the same problem here. How can “Orch OR” reflect back on itself and describe matters in quantum physics terms? Could the reductionists latch onto this “Orch OR” phenomena as the “epiphenomena” they have been saying all along? Probably not, as there is mentioned that in this model the brain is connected to the nonlocality of the universe, which reductionists would oppose.

Somehow, though, to me, the “Orch OR” appears to be some kind reductionism, but in fancy quantum biology terms. As Deepak asked Michael Shermer in a debate “who’s the person who’s aware that they’re perceiving and thinking?” So I ask, who’s reflecting and figuring out all these insights in quantum terms and who’s aware that they’re doing it?” I posit it’s the “I AM” , the awareness of being or existing, outside of space/time/matter/energy, that is the “Who.”

That’s the ultimate conundrum. Again, as Deepak and others have pointed out, it’s like trying to touch the tip of one’s finger with the tip of one’s finger. Can’t be done.

I contend that describing consciousness will always be elusive. Would Deepak agree that the best will forever be scientific or poetic models and metaphors eluding to something beyond?

I would also like to hear Deepak’s thoughts on the practical applications of these new models of consciousness. Perhaps breakthroughs in advanced meditative techniques, truly safe and effective consciousness expanding drugs, and other innovative approaches individuals and groups can use.

As for the “soul”, I feel it is beyond all measurement, by even the most refined instruments. Could it be that what is being measured here, the microtules and so forth. at the quantum or near quantum level, are the subtle bodies spoken of by Western Occultists and Eastern Seers?

As Deepak knows all far more than I do, the soul isn’t in the body, but the body is in the soul, so to speak. C.S. Lewis, novelist and Christian Mystic, said: “We don’t have a body with a soul, we are a soul with a body.”

I wish Deepak, Dr. Hameroff, and others, the very best in forging ahead in new breakthroughs in a science beyond reductionism.

Michael X. Williams

By: D Sabbe

D Sabbe — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:53:44 +0000

I have been thrashing my way around the perifery of this body of questions for years and am fasinated by your presentation and theoryThank you

By: Martien van Steenbergen

Martien van Steenbergen — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:25:59 +0000

Thank you for this utmost interesting article.

I’m sure you are familiar with Pim van Lommel’s work titled Endless Consciousness? This book resonates with the article (on a scale-free basis if you as me).

From http://www.pimvanlommel.nl/?home_eng:

For more than twenty years cardiologist Pim van Lommel has studied near-death experiences (NDEs) in patients who survived a cardiac arrest. In 2001, he and his fellow researchers published a study on Near Death Experiences in the renowned medical journal The Lancet. He, then, wrote the Dutch bestseller Endless Consciousness in 2007; over 100.000 copies were sold in the first year.

The NDE is an authentic experience which cannot be attributed to imagination, psychosis or oxygen deprivation. After such an profound experience, patient’s personalities underwent a permanent change. In Van Lommel’s opinion, the current views on the relationship between the brain and consciousness held by most physicians, philosophers and psychologists is too narrow for a proper understanding of the NDE phenomenon. The author provides examples and ways that our consciousness does not always coincide with brain functions; that consciousness can even be experienced separate from the body.

By: Gyanama

Gyanama — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:28:35 +0000

Yes Christian Science can indeed explain the Soul-

By: Gyanama

Gyanama — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:20:00 +0000

-Soul or Spirit means only One Mind and cannot be rendered in the plural
-Science reveals Spirit, Soul, as not in the body, and God as not in man but as reflected by man. The greater cannot be in the lesser. The belief that the greater can be in the lesser is an error that works ill. This is the leading point in the Science of Soul, that Principle is not in idea. Spirit Soul is not confined in man, and is never in matter. We reason imperfectably from effect to cause when we conclude that matter is the effect of Spirit; but a priori reasoning shows material existence to be enigmatical. Spirit, Soul gives the true mental idea. We can not interpret Spirit, Mind through matter. Matter neither sees, hears, or feels. Reasoning from cause to effect in the Science of Mind we begin with Mind, which must be understood through the idea which expresses it and cannot be learned from its opposite Matter. By Mary Baker Eddy- A True Christian Scientist
Excerpt from Christian Science Treatment –The Prayer that Heals
During the twentieth century, the natural scientist passed through the scientific limits of creation, and found no final material cause for creation. Instead they have discovered another dimension, an intangible realm beyond and beneath the physical universe. The world is pressing against this new dimension in an effort to understand it. Is it mental? Is it spiritual? To the materially darkened mind, it remains for the most part a great mystery. But to the spiritually enlightened mind, it becomes transparent. Through “Christian Science”, we enter this realm and begin to live in it. Christian Science accurately defines its structure and contents. Mrs. Eddy went beyond the veil of matter and discovered the spiritual nature of man and the universe. Just as creation has always been scientific, so creation has always been spiritual. through her writings, we are able to understand this unseen realm and draw upon it’s healing powers.
Christian Science is the divine intelligence expressed by Christ Jesus. In Science and Health, Mrs. Eddy wrote, Jesus Christ was the most scientific man that ever trod the globe. He plunged beneath the material surface of things and found the spiritual cause. His works were not miracles but the result of an understanding of the spiritual realm. He knew exactly what he was doing-